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I assumed it was more than just the fire that caused him to leave, that's enough to leave the battle yeah but what about leaving the king? The only thing I can remember off the top of my head is Joffrey's reaction to Sansa nearly being raped.

Something occurred to me with the Rains of Castamere over the end credits. If anyone wants to know how the finale will end, I suspect the last track on the OST gives it away. It's kinda what I'd guessed it would end on, anyway. Fitting, I think.

I saw the first series of this on Blu-Ray the other day and thought about picking it up. Worth buying???

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I assumed it was more than just the fire that caused him to leave, that's enough to leave the battle yeah but what about leaving the king? The only thing I can remember off the top of my head is Joffrey's reaction to Sansa nearly being raped.

That's part of it. He definitely takes a shine to Sansa and comes to hate Joffrey as the book goes on. But I believe it's mainly his fear of fire that causes him to flee.

@Neil: just looked at the OST - interesting. Make sense to bring it forward I guess, as it would make a good cliffhanger.

I've been thinking some more and thought of a few more events that we're supposed to get. We should see some more of Arya, Dany and hopefully Ramsey in the next episode.

Burned man sees people on fire, decides he's had enough.  Seemed pretty clear to me.

 

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Something occurred to me with the Rains of Castamere over the end credits. If anyone wants to know how the finale will end, I suspect the last track on the OST gives it away. It's kinda what I'd guessed it would end on, anyway. Fitting, I think.

 
Aww fuck you may be right.
 
As for the episode I thought it was incredible,very different from the books but they pulled it off well.Davo's bit was brief but effective and the wildfire explosion actually made me poo myself a little bit.
 
Cersei's drunken monologue was the best acting in this series no doubt.

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I've been thinking some more and thought of a few more events that we're supposed to get. We should see some more of Arya, Dany and hopefully Ramsey in the next episode.

 
Arya and Jaqen are in the promo for next week (plus it's called Valar Morgulis so we know what's happening there). Dany in the HoTU has to happen, though I suspect in a very different fashion - the foreshadowing works in book format but on TV when you can actually see the people it'd have to be even more bizarre to not just be a series of spoilers.
 
Lots of speculation online that Dagmer IS Ramsey since he's completely taken over Reek's role, but they'd have to explain what Ramsey was doing on Pyke and why everyone thinks he's one of the Ironmen. If he isn't, I don't think we'll see him to next season.

I can understand if the people who have read the books are a bit gutted. The ep was pretty good overall though.
 
I think I'll be spending next sunday watching all the eps again just before the last one comes on

****, thought that was great, just gutted there's only one left this season. At least I can dig into the books once it's over and enjoy the season in full detail.

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I loved the episode, thought the build-up was very tense and dramatic. Was very surprised to see Loras turn up, picked up straight away that it was the Tyrell bannermen aligning with the Lannisters - as a non-book-reader I made the connection that they view Stannis as a greater threat than the Lannisters - or just that they want to avenge Renly's death - are one or both of my assumptions correct?
 
I remembered the Hound's story from book 1. Agree Cersei was very good. Am looking forward to some tying up on some loose ends next week and to hopefully finding Tyrion still in one piece, it would be a pisser if he's dead.

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Really enjoying this season, will have to start reading the books when I get time really.
Also, I can still barely believe that that's Jerome Flynn as Bronn.

Uninspired by the finale. The whole season has been good telly, but a huge let down after season 1.
 
The fanboys will be going bananas at the changes/omissions in that episode. I'm away to westeros.org for a giggle.

Can't say I agree on the finale but yeah, overall the second season wasn't as good as the first season.
 
Really really enjoyed the finale though was gold all the way through the episode. Could've sewn up a few more loose ends but the two big cliffhangers at the end were tremendous.

Couple of things im not sure on. (spoilers for who haven't seen the finale yet)
 
So how do they burn winterfell and escape when there was 500 men surrounding them? Also what happened to Ser Davos in the last episode, he's not dead right?

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They simply don't escape in the books - don't know why they would here, though I'm more confused why they think they've any chance. What should happen is it's taken by the Bastard of Bolton and his northerners who kills all the Ironborn, later torches it and takes Theon and tortures him for three books. It still must be the Boltons that burn Winterfell or Bran and Rickon would have no reason to flee. If the Ironmen had done it and run off then Bran and Rickon would go to the Northmen who were surrounding the castle assuming they'd be safe with them.
 
Davos will turn up on Salladhor Saan's ship next season. There's no other reason he was introduced to us.

Edit: actually the Iron islanders have no need to escape, they can just wander off. Robb told Roose that they were free to leave other than Theon.

Haven't seen the finale yet, my main gripe with the second season is the sense of stasis with the war, all the progress in this respect has come away from our main concern - the Starks! There has been a lot of focus on Robb's development as a character, but not a lot of action (beyond the odd arbitrary scene with minimal implications on the war). Meanwhile we've seen Stannis and Renly rise and fall and the Lannisters reconvene and launch that twist last week.
 
We have developed most of the characters, but so many big characters are in practically the same situation they were before while Daenerys and Jon have not quite had the compelling writing they require to maintain them as significant parts of a larger narrative.

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Unfortunately, if you see the series as having any kind of 'main concern' it's always going to be very disappointing (moreso than this season has been anyway). 
 
Also, if this pace of change is frustrating, then if the series reaches A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons they'll be torturous 

Well that's exactly what I'm saying, the first series laid a lot of emphasis on the Starks as it sought to establish itself and I see this season as righting that imbalance. The focus is all over the place, as it no doubt needs to be to cope with the story further down the line.
 
That said, the "change of pace" has been anything but frustrating, I've loved this series. We've seen characters growing and becoming multi-faceted and indulged in Tyrion as much as is really possible. But, regardless I can appreciate why some feel dissatisfed as some characters and plotlines have had moments lacking direction (the bird talking about Jon's cock for three episode got old pretty fast) which have threatened to spoil the momentum, which in general has not been as strong as it was in the last series.

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It's really following the book series pretty closely in that regard. Eddard - and by extension the rest of the Starks - is the focus of the first book then it explodes outwards with an ever growing cast. As of A Storm Of Swords the Starks as a family aren't involved in anything. No idea how they're going to make it watchable for non-readers by that point. Once it hits RW (do not google if you've not read the books!) I think people will likely turn off in droves.
 
I think the slow pace has allowed lots of characterisation that could have been good. But has been mostly wasted. Tons of Robb making doe-eyes at Jeyne, Ygritte touching up Jon, everyone talking about how bright Tyrion is but it never being demonstrated, Dany doing nothing but moaning (but to be fair that's all she does in the book). Pretty much all wasted other than the Tywin/Arya stuff and Theon.

I for one really liked the finale, tied it all pretty well together (despite a few changes from the books which people are saying) and made me want to watch the next season/episode RIGHT NOW.
 
I watched the first 2 episodes of season 1 the other day and found it really hard to get into them again, it seemed really slow paced (due to the introduction of many characters at once) and the dialogue only backed that up.

Oh, and as it occurs to me. The House of the Undying may have been the worst scene of the series thus far. Even falling beneath the Littlefinger 'play with her arse' nonsense. A shame because it's the only really interesting thing that happens to Dany in ACOK. I don't know how you'd have kept in the visions from the book because they'd be so spoiler-tastic in a visual medium but I don't know why you'd bother to invent a totally new one (well, a reason to  feature a certain person again with no shirt on, I suppose) instead of just skipping them and having more stuff with Pyat. 
 
I suppose it might have some ramifications for the books though. Since the producers know how the books will end - maybe all the prophecies that the books are jammed full of are all just distractions and are irrelevant in the long run.

I thought the finale was pretty good apart from the house of the undying. That was rubbish. They could have at least tried to make it similar to the books.  

Brienne and Jaime are brilliant. I wish we had seen more of them!

The only thing that is confusing me at the moment is the Shae story. She's coming across very differently to the way she is portrayed in the books. I really like her in the tv series and I didn't at all in the books. 

There was a lot to fit in for this series in comparison to book one which is why I think book readers have been disappointed. I am a bit worried that it is going to get worse as the seasons progress though because books 3 onwards only get more detailed and confusing when it comes to new character introductions e.t.c.

I do agree with Neil that RW will completely turn people off if they haven't read the books. Especially with the way they have been developing certain characters differently on screen to how they were in the books. 

 

I had assumed Davos had drowned in the sea, still I suppose I wouldn't have been too shocked if he turned up again.  They seem to be rather good at having characters disappear for a couple of episodes and then turn up again later in a sort of "we've been here the entire time" way.  
It was also hard to tell whether I liked the last episode as it kept going out of sync and I had to reload it (should have bloody torrented) but generally I thought it was cool.  They did the same thing as last series whereby the finale was really the episode before and the last one was a sort of calm after the storm and setting up the next series.  But a couple of observations I will make:

2 things really annoyed me to the extent of briefly shattering my suspension of disbelief.  1, Stannis was left at the end of last episode being caught on the palace walls and now he's suddenly free?!? Also reminds me of when Jon was attacked by Crastor as a sort of cliffhanger then suddenly the next time we saw him he was completely fine and it was barely mentioned.  Shoddy and misleading.
2, "the iron people have left yay, but suddenly winterfell has been burned and we're running away even though it was supposedly liberated by an army loyal to Robb"..... eerrrrr what? Very confusing.

another annoyance is the constantly changing number of people in Dany's camp.  two episodes ago they were all killed bar Jorah.  Now she's got loads of followers again? Again makes it far more confusing than it has to be.  Also as I've said before I don't really like the supernatural stuff (particularly dragons) but after reading the first book I can sort of accept it more. 

a final observation about the series as a whole I thought was interesting: both the first two series have a character you thought was going to be important suddenly die around the 4th episode (King Robert and Renly).  And both the penultimate episodes end with a major character possibly dying (Ned and Tyrion).  This second one made me think that they probably were going to kill Tyrion (along with the way it was shot making it look like the sword went all the way through his head) but I couldn't wait to find out and foolishly read spoilers.  Hohum.  Also both the final episodes end with a shocking twist of some new supernatural thing being revealed.    

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2 things really annoyed me to the extent of briefly shattering my suspension of disbelief.  1, Stannis was left at the end of last episode being caught on the palace walls and now he's suddenly free?!? Also reminds me of when Jon was attacked by Crastor as a sort of cliffhanger then suddenly the next time we saw him he was completely fine and it was barely mentioned.  Shoddy and misleading.
2, "the iron people have left yay, but suddenly winterfell has been burned and we're running away even though it was supposedly liberated by an army loyal to Robb"..... eerrrrr what? Very confusing.

This is one of my grievances with the series, that they don't really explain what is going on well enough. How anyone was supposed to know that Ser Loras was dressed in Renly's armour in the last episode is beyond me. 
 
But I'll answer your points below. But beware, they are full of spoilers: 
 
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1) That was Stannis' men dragging him off when they realised the battle was lost. 
 
2) Remember way back a few episodes ago when Winterfell's guards heard that Torrhen's Square (I think) was under attack, and rode out to help; thus allowing Theon and the Ironborn to sneak in and take Winterfell? Well, they return. And it's them who have surrounded the city. Whilst surrounding the city they spot another army, lead by Ramsey (the Bastard of Bolton) Snow, approaching. As the Bolton's are Stark bannermen they aren't weary to their approach, infact they welcome them as reinforcements. However, the Bolton's attack and kill the Winterfell guards when their guard is dropped. 
 
Theon sees this as believes the Boltons to be on his side, so he rides out to meet them. However, unbeknownst to the Ironmen the Bolton's have actually been bought by the Lannister's. They capture Theon and then burn Winterfell to the ground, as per Tywin Lannister's orders. 
 
Bran, Rickon, Osha, Hodor and Jojen and Meera Reed (not in the series) don't escape during all of this. Infact, the burning wood and rubble has actually trapped them down in the catacombs. They eventually escape, however, to find Winterfell burned to the ground and Ramsey's army gone.
 
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huh, I'd already heard about it being Stannis's men on the battlemeants.  I guess the second part will be explained on screen at the start of series 3, I should really try harder to avoid spoilers lol

Maybe I missed something, but why didn't Sansa leave with The Hound?
 
Also, what happened to Bronn? It briefly mentioned that he no longer held his position within the city but didn't say what had happened to him.

Because she'd have been safer in KL no matter who held it than out in the wild with a nutcase who's just broken his oaths.

He was removed from his position by Tywin and Cersei because he was Tyrion's man.

You watched the last two episodes, right?

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Because Littlefinger she'd have been safer in KL no mater who held it than out in the wild with a nutcase who's just broken his oaths.

He was removed from his position by Tywin and Cersei because he was Tyrion's man.

You watched the last two episodes, right?

 
Yes, I thought they were both very good.
 
I don't remember Littlefinger saying that, hence the question. I know he said he would get her out of KL last night.
 
I know he WAS removed, and I know WHY he was removed, but I wondered if it mentioned what became of him or whether we would see him again.
 

Sorry, that shouldn't say Littlefinger in there, that's my phone being hard to work the pop-up box with, I thought I'd deleted it. So ignore that word. There may actually be another reason - there is in the book but it involves a character we've only seen twice and never involve in that plot -  and I'm tempted to think it might be revealed as a surprise later. Probably not though since Littlefinger has now been so explicit.

What happened to him is that he lost his job. That's it. Other things may or may not happen to him later.

Episode was all over the place really but oh well still a good watch anyway.
 
Danys scenes in the house of the undying were a let down but atleast it managed to get out one cryptic scene that was somewhat significant metaphorically.(That in earnest goes beyond ADWD)

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Maybe I missed something, but why didn't Sansa leave with The Hound?

Cause she's a bloody idiot.

I wouldn't go for a several-hundred-mile trek with a guy who's just betrayed the most powerful family in the land, who've a penchant for extreme brutality, wiped out two entire families just because they embarrassed them and have the two hardest guys in the world amongst their number.
 
Plus she thinks Stannis is going to win, and knows she'll be safe and treated well if he takes over.

He told her how to cope with Joffrey and saved her from being raped AND calls her pet names like bird or dove
 
If I was Sansa I would have sucked his dick by now.
 
Great end to the season, I thought.

Enjoyed how Pycelle wasn't acting like a senile old man when he was with Tyrion.The end of it proper had a black metal feel,was sort of waiting for Immortal to kick in.

Well as a non-reader, I bloody loved the finale. I thought it was amazing. Loved how following the nice tense build-up and then the battle last week, this one tied up lots of loose ends but without feeling rushed. All the good characters were touched on, I thought Brienne was totally NAILS, very interesting developments in general, and I didn't mind the Dany stuff at all but as I haven't read the books I obviously didn't have any expectations.
 
Bronn and his men were paid off to leave - that was explained. I also didn't understand how the Greyjoy men just torched Winterfell and escaped, that didn't make sense, especially after the old dude (sorry forgotten his name) had explained to Theon how they were surrounded by 500 men etc. Very strange. That was the only bit that confused me.
 
Love the bit with Jaqen, wasn't expecting that at all. Also Margery (sp?) - assume she's going to become a bit of a force to be reckoned with. In general I think that apart from Cersei (who's position has stabilised) the series ended with women in the ascendancy - Margery, Brienne, Dany - could be significant (as I say, speaking from a purely non-reader POV).
 
Anyway those are just my rambling thoughts. Gutted it's over, already can't wait for the next series. I've decided I'm going to read the second book now, and stick to that pattern (TV, then book) as I don't want to ruin the series for myself - it's the best thing that's been on in years.

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Yeah the 500 Northmen outside weren't explained,they'll have to explain that next season.In the meantime they'll be casting Ramsay Snow (Bolton) for the conclusion of that event.

 

 

 

 
 

 

They've announced that season 3 will only be the first half of a Storm of Swords. A pity, as I was hoping we'd get a longer season instead.

On the plus side, at least it means they will be going into greater depth. But I agree, a double-length season would have been preferable. It's going to take YEARS to get to the end!! It must be a very expensive series to produce.

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So apparently they've got into a spot of bother for using (or admitting to use) a George Bush Jr prosthetic head on a stick in Season 1.